sdlyfxnxt

A lot of western people, especially Americans, believe Japanese respected Americans, even after being defeated in WWII is because Americans are humanitarians and had treated Japanese people well.

That is a very romanticized, self-indulgent line of thinking. It fits very well with America’s own self-image of the “champian of humanity”.

First of all, Americans had dropped 2 fucking nukes on Japanese soil, killing millions of civilians. CIVILIANS. It left a long last emotional scare on the Japanese collective psyche.

Sure, some Americans might be nice to some Japanese. But other Americans also exploited the Japanese after the world.

And did I mention nukes?

The fact that so many answers just simply brush it off with words like “despite” or “even after”, means you guys seriously didn’t know what it means to have your cities annihilated, your people slaughtered in the millions. You guys went through one 911, and you went on two wars, disrupted 2 countries for the past 20 years. What? Are American lives worth more than other lives?

But, the observation is correct. Japan had indeed struck a very cozy relationship with Americans after their cities were blown, their people murdered, and their emperor surrounded.

I myself wonder the same thing for a long time. I don’t have the rosy imagination about how Japanese people simply forgive the Americans because a few Americans were nice to a few Japanese.

It is perplexing.

Until I read an answer on Quora about this exact question (yes, this isn’t the first time this question is being asked). I couldn’t find the original answer, couldn’t remember the original author, but the content stuck with me.

The answer explained that Japanese culture worships the strong. They don’t consider Chinese (or people from other conquered nations) as people, because we lost. Because we lost, we deserved to be treated as chattels being slaughtered. We, the conquered nations, should accept our fate being beaten fair and square by a stronger opponent. There’s shouldn’t be any shame or resentment.

Now Japan was defeated fair and square by a stronger opponent. America defeated Japan with overwhelming force. There’s no shame, no resentment, if anything, there’s admiration. Japan admired America. They want to learn from the US, perhaps one day beat the US fair and square.

That’s why Japan ended up becoming the US’ lackey in Asia.

It has nothing to do with Americans' humanity, imaginary or not. It has everything to do with Japan’s fucked up social Darwinism.

I’m not Japanese, obviously. But this theory stuck with me all these years because it explained so much about Japan, its culture, why it associate itself with Germany during WWII, and how it could rise fast after having two nukes dropped on their land, or how they just seemingly forget about all that and cozy up with the people who murdered their people without any visible resentment. It even explained the reason why their movies and TV shows about WWII seemed to focus more on the symbolic evil of the war itself, instead of against the people actually doing the killing.

Sure, you could argue that China also established a relatively civil relationship with Japan, but we never forget about Nanjing Massacre and other atrocities. And we have never stopped asking the Japanese government for an apology and or asking them to stop visiting their war crime shrine. Our attitudes are not the same.

Again, it’s not my theory. I don’t know Japan enough to come up with something like this. Smarter and more intuitive people wrote it and I remembered it because the theory explained something I’ve long since wondered myself. I don’t know how much of this mentality is part of the modern Japanese culture, or how it might (or might not) impact regular Japanese people nowadays. But, this particular mentality worries me. Because if it is prevalent, it means Japan never changed after WWII. Given the opportunity, Japan will do it all over again.

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• lijing01 威望 -5 伪原创 2022-3-30 11:17

sdlyfxnxt

很多西方人，尤其是美国人，认为日本人尊重美国人，即使二战战败，也是因为美国人是人道主义者，对日本人很好。

这是一种非常浪漫化、自我放纵的思维方式。 这非常符合美国自己“人类冠军”的自我形象。

首先，美国人在日本领土上投下了两颗他妈的核武器，造成数百万平民死亡。 平民！！！ 它给日本的集体心理留下了长久的情感恐慌。

当然，一些美国人可能对一些日本人很好。 但美国人也在世界大战之后剥削了日本人。

我有提到核武器吗？

事实上，这么多的答案只是简单地用“尽管”或“甚至之后”这样的词来掩盖它，这意味着你们真的不知道让你们的城市被歼灭，你们的人民被屠杀数百万意味着什么。 你们经历了一次 911，你们进行了两次战争，在过去 20 年中消灭了 2 个国家。 什么？ 美国人的生命比其他人的生命更有价值吗？

但是，观察是正确的。 在他们的城市被炸毁、他们的人民被谋杀、他们的天皇被包围之后，日本确实与美国人建立了非常融洽的关系。

我自己很长时间都在想同样的事情。 对于日本人如何简单地原谅美国人，因为一些美国人对一些日本人很好？

这令人困惑。

直到我在 Quora 上阅读了关于这个确切问题的答案（是的，这不是第一次被问到这个问题）。 我找不到原来的答案，不记得原作者，但内容让我印象深刻。

答案解释说，日本文化崇拜强者。 他们不认为中国人（或其他被征服国家的人）是人，因为我们输了。 因为我们输了，我们应该被当作被宰杀的动产。 我们是被征服的国家，应该接受我们的命运被一个更强大的对手公平公正地击败。 不应该有任何羞耻或怨恨。

现在日本被一个更强大的对手公平地击败了。 美国以压倒性的力量击败了日本。 没有羞耻，没有怨恨，如果有的话，有钦佩。 日本羡慕美国。 他们想向美国学习，说不定哪天就能把美国打得一塌糊涂。

这就是为什么日本最终成为美国在亚洲的走狗。

这与美国人的人性无关，这与日本玩砸的社会达尔文主义有关。

很明显，我不是日本人。 但是这个理论多年来一直困扰着我，因为它解释了日本，它的文化，为什么它在二战期间与德国联系在一起，以及在他们的土地上投下两枚核武器后它如何迅速崛起，或者他们似乎忘记了 关于所有这些，并与屠杀他们的人民的人相处，没有任何明显的怨恨。 它甚至解释了为什么他们关于二战的电影和电视节目似乎更多地关注战争本身的象征性邪恶，而不是反对实际进行杀戮的人。

当然，你可以说中国也与日本建立了相对文明的关系，但我们永远不会忘记南京大屠杀和其他暴行。 我们从未停止要求日本政府道歉，或要求他们停止参拜他们的战争罪行神社。 我们的态度不一样。

再说一次，这不是我的理论。 我对日本的了解还不够，无法想出这样的东西。 更聪明、更直觉的人写了它，我记得它，因为这个理论解释了我早就想知道的东西。 我不知道这种心态在多大程度上是现代日本文化的一部分，也不知道它如何（或可能不会）影响当今的普通日本人。 但是，这种特殊的心态让我担心。 因为如果它很流行，那就意味着日本在二战后从未改变过。 如果有机会，日本将重蹈覆辙。

丈八蛇毛

说的对，古代中国经济发达，科技发达，所以日本有大量遣唐使到中国来学习。可到近代日本被西方坚船利炮打开国门后坚决地向西方学习，反而对落后的中国大打出手。二战后日本被美国占领又对美国俯首称臣。日本就是个尊重强者的国家，所以做好自己，坚持发展，再有大量遣唐使也不会太远。

sun6014

主要原因美国把小日子过的不错的日本人打痛了，打疼了，所以狗知道老实了，就跟俄罗斯把日本打服了。中国虽然为东亚抗日主战场，但是基本上属于被动防守，而且也没有对日本本土造成伤害，所以日本为啥会怕中国？日本巴不得中国崛起不了，因为崛起了日本可能就不会成为一个独立国家，而是中国附属国或者附属省，毕竟中国一直算的上是日本宗主国

guyingli

就像狗一样，你要打服了它，才行，当它张嘴时，打就完了，不然它只会咬你。

qqwbc1438438

尼玛给个翻译。。。日本人这种就像????。饿了就要伤人，得棍棒教育才能老实。这一点中国明白，我想美国人应该更明白。。